tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post5591568667468909075..comments2023-04-26T09:58:50.906-04:00Comments on Light and Heat: When Church Courts ErrM. Jay Bennetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14196144533530725736noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-39783394828689409642014-02-27T22:36:29.069-05:002014-02-27T22:36:29.069-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.M. Jay Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14196144533530725736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-19100948352162273632014-02-27T15:34:05.957-05:002014-02-27T15:34:05.957-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-68388335055730414472013-11-08T15:02:12.999-05:002013-11-08T15:02:12.999-05:00Andy,
See my comment above about the time limit i...Andy,<br /><br />See my comment above about the time limit imposed on the trial. At one point very early in our cross I handed Jeff a copy of the Joint Federal Vision Profession, precisely because he was asking for context. Jeff began to thumb through the copy at what I felt was a slowed pace (he knew we were pressed for time). From that point forward I was cautious about handing Jeff a copy of M. Jay Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14196144533530725736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-20289786647764587472013-11-08T14:54:38.610-05:002013-11-08T14:54:38.610-05:00David,
I encourage you to read the whole transcr...David, <br /><br />I encourage you to read the whole transcript. I attempted to ask questions from multiple angles in order to give Jeff the opportunity to either admit or deny the charges that were set before him. In denying the charges, one would think that a minister of the gospel would want to be crystal clear and articulate, understanding where others might be misunderstanding him and M. Jay Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14196144533530725736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-42057500032945111642013-11-08T14:50:57.547-05:002013-11-08T14:50:57.547-05:00Barlow,
Given your admission that Jeff believes i...Barlow,<br /><br />Given your admission that Jeff believes in a sociological sense of baptismal regeneration (like Leithart), do you have any insight into how Jeff's response below can be true?<br /><br />"Q. Is there any sense in which you affirm bap -- any sense of baptimsal regeneration?<br />A. No, I don't believe so."M. Jay Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14196144533530725736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-78770280755848572182013-11-08T14:43:55.012-05:002013-11-08T14:43:55.012-05:00First, so that you gentlemen have a bit of context...First, so that you gentlemen have a bit of context, despite our request that it be removed, Missouri Presbytery imposed an arbitrary time limit on the prosecution of this trial. The prosecutors had, if I recall correctly, 4 hours total (from opening to closing statements, including exams and cross-exams) to make our case. By the time we got to our cross of Jeff, which was last, we were quickly M. Jay Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14196144533530725736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-47571686549981905602013-11-08T10:59:57.063-05:002013-11-08T10:59:57.063-05:00This blog shows some of the difficulties on both s...This blog shows some of the difficulties on both sides of the issue when looking into whether someone is heterodox; e.g., ministers usually have no training or experience in asking even-handed judicial questions, on the one hand; and those being investigated are understandably cautious about context, etc., on the other. <br /><br />The issues are complex and most observers don't have the Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01407724098239435020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-76112289085359683232013-11-08T10:39:20.422-05:002013-11-08T10:39:20.422-05:00Repeated requests for context went unanswered. Giv...Repeated requests for context went unanswered. Given the questions being asked, it would be difficult if not impossible to agree or disagree without more context for pretty much anyone who is careful about their doctrine.<br /><br />Sadly, longer quotes, context, and more discussion would've probably benefited all involved. <br /><br />Perhaps, less pessimism and more open and honest Andynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-25630054475203538182013-11-08T09:43:32.387-05:002013-11-08T09:43:32.387-05:00I am a right wing, Old School, Old Perspective on ...I am a right wing, Old School, Old Perspective on Paul, Minister of the Word in the OPC - and I don't find anything at all problematic in the answers you quoted from Pastor Meyers. I do, however, find your questions problematic. Admittedly this is just a transcript, but you seemed more interested in "getting your man" than getting at the truth.David A Boothnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-79929915400190698882013-11-08T07:32:59.140-05:002013-11-08T07:32:59.140-05:00This exchange proves nothing other than Meyers is ...This exchange proves nothing other than Meyers is careful to allow the possibility that there are other senses of regeneration (Peter's, for instance is mainly sociological) and that you're not willing to brook any subtlety here. Interesting, but hardly proves any defect on Jeff's part. You were trying to uncover some allegedly hidden form of baptismal regeneration that Jeff believes Barlownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-56182286041941828482013-11-07T23:44:44.888-05:002013-11-07T23:44:44.888-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com