tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post128303386473228397..comments2023-04-26T09:58:50.906-04:00Comments on Light and Heat: Sola Scriptura and Epistemological Religious CertaintyM. Jay Bennetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14196144533530725736noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-19277447860331252782010-12-31T22:56:51.827-05:002010-12-31T22:56:51.827-05:00I will pray for you Mark. Did you have a particula...I will pray for you Mark. Did you have a particular issue in mind? If so, and you'd rather not publicize it, feel free to email me at jybnntt@gmail.comM. Jay Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14196144533530725736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-66505149091555963892010-12-31T22:52:44.615-05:002010-12-31T22:52:44.615-05:00The doctrine of the self-authentication of Scriptu...The doctrine of the self-authentication of Scripture is by definition tautological. There is no higher authority on which Scripture's authority is based. It is the word of God. This is the point of my post. As I wrote:<br /><br />"Roman Catholicism posits epistemological religious certainty in an essentially perspicuous and self-authenticating Apostolic office (i.e. the Roman see). M. Jay Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14196144533530725736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-55063778189438721702010-12-31T21:12:26.333-05:002010-12-31T21:12:26.333-05:00I don't think Mohammed's historical creden...I don't think Mohammed's historical credentials are as good. We can discuss this, though I think it's not the most interesting question. However, I'd be willing to discuss this.<br /><br />WHY do you think Scripture is self-authenticating? The truth of the proposition- 'Scripture is self-authenticating'- is this a proposition whose truth you have learned through revelationMarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16296781762669562413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-70511914817199784682010-12-24T16:54:21.877-05:002010-12-24T16:54:21.877-05:00I believe the Bible is self-authenticating. The ch...I believe the Bible is self-authenticating. The church (i.e. all who are effectually called to saving faith in Jesus), recognizes its authority as such.<br /><br />Why did you put your faith in Jesus? Why not Mohammed? His historical credentials are at least as good.M. Jay Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14196144533530725736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-85166797862540617632010-12-20T02:29:12.778-05:002010-12-20T02:29:12.778-05:00I don't know what you mean by, 'testimony ...I don't know what you mean by, 'testimony of Scripture'. <br /><br />All I'm saying is that the Bible is a good reliable historical document, and so we have good reason to believe (without the need of theological faith) that there was a man named Jesus who claimed to be God and said certain things. Even the person who has no faith should not deny that there existed a man named Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16296781762669562413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-38937584411797626262010-12-19T16:18:07.129-05:002010-12-19T16:18:07.129-05:00Where is the testimony of Scripture in your histor...Where is the testimony of Scripture in your historical inquiry?M. Jay Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14196144533530725736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-777002111604966532010-12-19T07:41:59.970-05:002010-12-19T07:41:59.970-05:00No. I believe that the part known by historical in...No. I believe that the part known by historical inquiry is that there was a man named Jesus who lived 2000 years ago and He claimed to be God- this is known by historical inquiry. NOW, by faith, I know that Jesus is God- this part is not historical inquiry.<br /><br />Besides historical inquiry, I do not need any other proof that a man named Jesus existed and that He claimed to be God. Even the Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16296781762669562413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-13708623905238966752010-12-18T22:25:32.935-05:002010-12-18T22:25:32.935-05:00Do you believe you believe Jesus is the Son of God...Do you believe you believe Jesus is the Son of God because you discovered it by means of historical inquiry alone?M. Jay Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14196144533530725736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-16509958604833289872010-12-18T18:14:27.977-05:002010-12-18T18:14:27.977-05:00I believe my historical inquiry about Jesus becaus...I believe my historical inquiry about Jesus because it is credible. I have no reason for doubt, because historical inquiry is reliable. I can believe Abraham Lincoln lived and said certain things merely because of historical inquiry. I see no reason for raising doubt about this- and it doesn't seem like you are. My point is that there is no need for justification further than this- this is Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16296781762669562413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-83750472483299804602010-12-18T13:52:56.046-05:002010-12-18T13:52:56.046-05:00The doctrine of scriptural self-authentication is ...The doctrine of scriptural self-authentication is described well in the Westminster Confession of Faith 1.4-5:<br /><br /><i>The authority of the Holy Scripture, for which it ought to be believed, and obeyed, depends not upon the testimony of any man, or Church; but wholly upon God (who is truth itself) the author thereof: and therefore it is to be received, because it is the Word of God.<br /><M. Jay Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14196144533530725736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-55076661227932245012010-12-18T05:01:46.244-05:002010-12-18T05:01:46.244-05:00What do you mean when you say that Scriptures are ...What do you mean when you say that Scriptures are self-authenticating? And why do you think that this is true?<br /><br />I do not think that Scriptures are self-authenticating, and I don't know any good reasons for thinking so.<br /><br />I don't think that you intend to misrepresent what I have said thus far, but I think you have overgeneralized my objection and missed my point as a Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16296781762669562413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-26609864237127690712010-12-17T22:54:46.049-05:002010-12-17T22:54:46.049-05:00Mark,
Ultimately I believe the Scriptures are sel...Mark,<br /><br />Ultimately I believe the Scriptures are self-authenticating. That means the Spirit-indwelled church will <i>recognize</i> the Spirit-inspired texts.<br /><br />Roman Catholicism confesses the same thing with regard to the infallibility of the magisterium. In other words, you ask how I can know what is Scripture without another authority saying so? I could also ask, how you can M. Jay Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14196144533530725736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-22477979675836010052010-12-16T10:15:31.663-05:002010-12-16T10:15:31.663-05:00Hello,
my name is Mark. I am Catholic, and stumb...Hello, <br /><br />my name is Mark. I am Catholic, and stumbled into this blog. The tone here seems very charitable, and I think that's a wonderful thing, really. <br /><br />However, like your friend, I have some question/ or objections rather to the Sola Sriptura view. <br /><br />Okay, here's the problem as I understand it. <br /><br />At some point in history, a discrimination betweenMarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16296781762669562413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-68029195293563061682010-04-12T14:06:27.808-04:002010-04-12T14:06:27.808-04:00Call my faith sketchy, but I can't shake the n...Call my faith sketchy, but I can't shake the notion that even on my best days a good bit of uncertainty lurks beneath the surface. Both Rome's and the Reformed's responses that you've outlined ("self-authenticating Apostolic office" or "teaching") sounds good on paper, but in practice I'm not so sure it provides much cognitive rest. Certainly not denying Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05006685610827238652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-3800711212635492032010-04-09T10:22:45.532-04:002010-04-09T10:22:45.532-04:00Thanks Tony.Thanks Tony.M. Jay Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14196144533530725736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20164035.post-49725092477694151092010-04-07T21:56:42.396-04:002010-04-07T21:56:42.396-04:00Well said Jay. Very Helpful. Thanks.Well said Jay. Very Helpful. Thanks.Reepicheephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01614939842967705669noreply@blogger.com